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Jackson Overland Frost ([personal profile] gelu) wrote2013-02-01 11:03 pm

SPECIFIC PERMISSIONS: BELIEF AND YOUR CHARACTER

So, Jack here is something of a supernatural entity--specifically, a spirit of winter. And you can't see, hear, or touch spirits of his kind unless you believe in them. Sure, the ice and frost he can spread around is still perfectly tangible to the common eye. But Jack himself? He might as well be nonexistent, as far as nonbelievers are concerned.

Naturally this throws a pretty odd spin on potential CR, and the ways in which Jack is able to interact with people, so that's where this post comes in! The pool of characters floating around in rp is definitely a varied one, after all, and belief can be a surprisingly tricky thing, in Jack's case moreso than most. His condition in particular has really picky rules when it comes to who can see him and who can't, for some reason. :| So! I've scrammed up a general layout of the three levels of belief* your character might fall in for Jack below:

Nonbelievers: Simply don't believe in him. Jack Frost is that one guy in that one song that nips noses and things. A fairy tale that doesn't even have a particularly fleshed story; a handwaved reason for why winter rolls around. All it takes for Jack to be entirely invisible to someone is a dismissal or unawareness of the existence of similar winter spirits and Jack Frost specifically. Your character can believe wholeheartedly in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny or any other crazy myth from their homeworld, be a seasoned veteran that deals with the supernatural all the time, or be the most magical mofo to ever take a stroll down the sidewalk--but if your character doesn't think that there's an actual person behind the nuances of winter, they just won't see him, and they'll be able to pass through him like air. Jack could be standing right beside you, waving his arms and insulting your family cow at the top of his lungs, and you'd never be any the wiser for it.

But nonbelievers can be converted to believers, quickly or very slowly depending on the character! And even in nonbelief, Jack (and I) will find other ways to communicate with yea of little faith, whether it's via fun/pranks/charades of the icy variety, or forays into text messaging via whatever networking device available. Jack can work indirect interaction, and I can work it too!

Half-Believers: Kinda float around in that gray area between categories. Your character might carry a vague belief that something influences winter, be it some other winter spirit/deity or a simple superstitious inclination in that direction. Nonbelievers inching towards belief in Jack as being that specific individual, and not just a name that happens to coincide with the myth, will often slip into this classification for variable bouts of time as well. Either way, it's progress! The most basic concept for this category is that your character actually acknowledges there might be a person and identity behind winter shenanigans, even if they don't really think of Jack as that specific person when it comes to this idea, or are still slightly skeptical about the fact. And these people are more likely to get glimpses and pieces of Jack's presence one-on-one, depending on the strength of this half-belief. Maybe they're only able to see him out of the corners of their eyes, or they can only hear his voice, or they can see him if they peer hard enough at the flicker of silhouette in the air in front of them but can't hear a word he's saying--any combination of these kinds of things. As a general rule they can detect that there's somebody there, but they can't quite touch him or pin him down for a fact yet.

Believers: Believe in him. Not just the mere idea of a purveyor of fun or winter--these people implicitly believe that Jack Frost the individual is a thing that exists, and fully trust the validity of this identity. They can see, hear, and touch Jack just the same as they might any other normal person. And the novelty will probably never entirely wear off on Jack's part, either :'|

*of note: Myths/embodiments/deities similar in nature to Jack, or parallel spiritual beings like ghosts, will be able to see, hear, and touch Jack by default, regardless of belief level. Things like zombies, werewolves, vampires, etc probably won't fall into this same category, however. The rule of thumb when it comes to this kinda thing is level of spiritness, not species.

Of course, even with all this said and done, not every character is quite the same as another when it comes to something like belief, and it's possible that not every character can be classified between three simple categories either! In the end it's all about interesting CR, as far as I'm concerned, and these are just rough guidelines--I'm always more than happy to negotiate or flex things around a little bit, as the need requires c: And just as belief can be built? It's shown in canon that belief can also decline and outright drain away, with the right punches to personal faith, and this is something that I'd definitely be up for playing around with too. Basically there are a load of directions this could go in! So if you've got an idea, feel more than free to hit me up about it, seriously o:

But in the meantime! Here's a handy-dandy little form that you can fill out and comment with on this post, if you're up for having Jack interact with your character somehow! And if you have any additional questions, or aren't quite sure where your character might fall, you can hash it out with me either with a comment here or by my other contact means.

Character Name:
Character Series:
Level of Belief:

Why this level?
Just a little blurb about why your character can't/can see Jack to whatever extent--ie "BECAUSE THEY'RE CREATURES OF LOGIC AND DON'T TAKE TO THIS FAIRYTALE NONSENSE" or "they're a god of Insert Deity Here" or "yeah they've actually always thought Jack Frost's a pretty legit guy". Half-Believers can also use this section to elaborate on the extent to which they can see/interact with Jack in person. This'll generally be a helpful thing to have on hand for me, so I can tweak Jack's interactions with you dudes accordingly!

Anything else?
For any additional info/questions/comments/whatevs


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[personal profile] magerights 2013-02-21 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Anders
Character Series: Dragon Age II
Level of Belief: Non-believer
Why this level? Because the Maker made the seasons but that's it, no other people involved. Also spirits in Thedas tend to represent other things, not forces of nature. :C

Character Name: Brainiac 5 ([personal profile] emotionl4arobot)
Character Series: Legion of Super Heroes
Level of Belief: Non-believer
Why this level? Because science says you're wrong if you believe that 8|

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[personal profile] notthedoctor 2013-02-21 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Theta Sigma
Character Series: Doctor Who
Level of Belief: Believer

Why this level? Half Time Lord. There's very little that couldn't exist in his opinion.

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Character Name: Albert Wesker
Character Series: Resident Evil
Level of Belief: Non-Believer

Why this level? All about the science
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[personal profile] galvanist 2013-02-22 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Dr. Whale/Victor Frankenstein
Character Series: Once Upon a Time
Level of Belief: Half-believer
Why this level? Because even though he's dealt with magical hearts, traveling between worlds via a magic hat, met with fricken Rumplestiltskin and knows about the existence of fairies, evil queens and magically talking crickets, he is always and forever on Team Science. He's dealt with various magical shit and knows it exists, but would rather not deal with it if he could/would prefer to occasionally sick his fingers in his ears and go 'I'm not listening I'm not listening.'

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[personal profile] callszombiebullshit 2013-02-22 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Zoey
Character Series: Left 4 Dead
Level of Belief: Half-believer

Why this level? Because if zombies are real, then there's the possibility that other thought-to-be fictional beings are real too.
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[personal profile] redsnow 2013-02-22 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Zelos Wilder
Character Series: Tales of Symphonia
Level of Belief: Believer

Why this level? I'm going with this one since the Tales world has summon spirits and centurions and all sorts of things like that, and Zelos is in a position where he'd be familiar with that sort of thing. /o/
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[personal profile] sponsorigami 2013-02-22 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Ivan Karelin
Character Series: Tiger & Bunny
Level of Belief: Half-believer

Why this level? After all he's seen in his time here, he's seen the weather influenced by spirits/monsters back in EV ALPHA, so more of them occurring doesn't sound so strange. He'll grow more convinced that there is someone/thing around the more snowy/winter things happen.

Although... if Ivan decides that COMPASS isn't the reason for the winter stuff, his first thoughts will probably drift more toward someone with ice powers rather than a spirit because he worked with a girl who had ice powers. And if he does side more with a spirit being the cause, he'll think more along the lines of a Japanese spirit rather than Jack Frost.

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[personal profile] darkestshadeofyou 2013-02-22 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Beyond Birthday (at this journal)
Character Series: Death Note: Another Note
Level of Belief:
Believer.

Why this level?
He's been here before and seen things already.

Anything else?
Beyond is a serial killer, he sees things with Shinigami eyes. I have a permission thingy on his journal too, but really it's only needed if they meet up in person or on the system.

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[personal profile] aspecialsnowflake 2013-02-22 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Varvara
Character Series: BPRD
Level of Belief: Non-believer
Why this level? Because if some entity controlling seasons existed, she'd know about it.

Character Name: Varric Tethras
Character Series: Dragon Age II
Level of Belief: Non-believer
Why this level? Because where he's from, spirits don't represent seasons, they represent facets of mortal existence. So no :c

Character Name: Tali'Zorah
Character Series: Mass Effect
Level of Belief: Non-believer

Why this level? Because science. :|

Anything else? THIS TRIAD OF NO IS REALLY HORRIBLE, I'M SORRY XD

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[personal profile] spidersongs 2013-02-22 07:48 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Mezzaline
Character Series: Original!
Level of Belief: Nonbeliever :(

Why this level?
She is not from Earth and has no idea the myth even exists! Also, she's never seen snow. What is snow

Anything else?
What does your username mean and how am I meant to pronounce it :|a

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[personal profile] wont 2013-02-23 09:23 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Alayne Stone (Sansa Stark)
Character Series: A Song of Ice and Fire
Level of Belief: Half-believer

Why this level? Sansa Stark was raised with belief in the Old Gods, who were the gods of the children of the forest — the quasi-magical people who occupied Westeros before mankind (sort of like a darker, grittier riff on the fae). Westeros itself has non-standard cyclical seasons, Alayne having only seen one winter herself despite being 16 years old; the coming of winter is a very big deal because winters in the Seven Kingdoms can last decades if its a long one. Being of the north, and being specifically of House Stark (whose house words are winter is coming) means that winter is a HUGE DEAL for her and that its comings and goings are tied to quasi-mystical, inexplicable reasons.

As for how Alayne and Jack can interact, I'm more than willing to hash it out, depending on wht would be easiest/most interesting from Jack's/your perspective!

Anything else? She may not be a full-on believer but Alayne has the potential of becoming one fairly easily. Since she's been in a game previous to this, her mind is open to various possibilities, even things like spirits and gods. Though, she may wonder why Jack isn't like HARSH AND FOREBODING (which is what they associate winter with in Westeros).

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[personal profile] gameplaying 2013-02-23 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Character Name: loki
Character Series: marvel cinematic universe
Level of Belief: believer (although i'd lean towards half-believer at first, although it wouldn't take much to sway him to believer, at least in jack frost, if not in the entirety of the truth — purely on the basis of the fact that loki pronounces himself to be a god despite the fact that, in strict terms, neither he nor the æsir of asgard are actually immortal gods.

and, you know, loki lies and believes that p much everyone lies/exaggerates/bends the truth, SO THERE'S THAT TOO. he'll essentially just consider jack to be a being similar to the æsir, although INFERIOR (esp to loki) OFC.)

Why this level? norse mythology, man.

(or, you know, marvel's bastardised version of). obviously, within the mcu, the various asgardians, whilst not gods as such, are and have been considered as much. as loki is considered to be the god of mischief and lies, and thor is considered to be the god of thunder (and then there's the rest of the æsir), beings that can affect, control or even direct the weather wouldn't come as any surprise to loki, even if he doesn't (and wouldn't) believe in a singular being as the cause of winter. i imagine he'd have a familiarity with the myth, though, and wouldn't find it difficult to believe that jack is jack frost of said myths — after all, he's loki, of the myths.

Anything else? I'M ILL if any of this made no sense, i'll be happy to try and clarify.

also, loki's a frost giant by birth, which means he has a greater tolerance for the cold and, of course, whilst he's a great affinity for magic and sorcery, he does have an affinity for ice magic in general — though it would appear that he doesn't have a fondness for using it, preferring to rely on illusions.


Character Name: peter parker/spider-man
Character Series: the amazing spider-man (2012)
Level of Belief: NON-BELIEVER

Why this level? because science
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[personal profile] overeducated 2013-02-24 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Character Name: the Doctor.
Character Series: Doctor Who.
Level of Belief: Non-believer.

Why this level? SCIENCE also his original homeworld wouldn't have had Jack Frost as a mythos.

Character Name: the Demon.
Character Series: original character.
Level of Belief: Half-believer.

Why this level? Though he's never heard of a Jack Frost, he's also highly confused by winter, so the idea that someone might be behind it ... why not.
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[personal profile] tsun_nami 2013-02-24 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Nami
Character Series: One Piece
Level of Belief: Non-believer
Why this level? They don't have the myths of Easter/Jack Frost/Santa (i don't think anyway, though there might be an equivalent or something) so Nami would probably be a non believer. But considering she's seen a LOT of things that are pretty damn strange, and things that would be impossible, she'd probably be skeptical about the concept of someone behind Winter. Open minded and wanting some kind of proof though.

Anything else? SHe has a close connection to the weather, in that she can sense changes in it before a normal person can, so she probably would be able to sense Jack around if it's all chilly around him (i would assume it is, since. Winter. :D Correct me if I'm wrong though!)
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[personal profile] scions 2013-02-24 05:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Emily Madsen
Character Series: Original
Level of Belief: Half-believer

Why this level? She knows of Jack Frost and considering all the supernatural/metahuman things she deals with, she wouldn't be surprised in the least that he might actually exist, though at first it'd be more in her eyes that he's just being a smartass with his name.

Anything else? Hi roommate meet a girl with pyrokinetic abilities and amplifications from a phoenix.

Character Name: Nero
Character Series: Devil May Cry
Level of Belief: Half-believer

Why this level? Demon hunter (and also part-demon). Though he doesn't really believe in spirits all that much, he just rolls with it most times.

Character Name: Rei Suzumura
Character Series: GARO
Level of Belief: Half-believer

Why this level? Being something resembling a glorified demon hunter, he's dealt with many different types of supernatural entities (like living talking trees, a giant metal dragon-box-thing, etc, etc) a spirit representing winter wouldn't honestly be all that far-fetched for him.

Anything else? and this is what happens when I play characters who are all too used to weird things happening.

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[personal profile] ace_of_hearts 2013-02-24 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Portgas D. Ace
Character Series: One Piece
Level of Belief: Half-Believer

Why this level? He comes from a part of the world with lots of mythos that are proven true; giants, monsters, dragons, etc. His big brother is a phoenix, and Ace is very open to accepting most things unless someone's trying to sell him something. He's accepting, but not gullible. Plus, he'd be more likely to think that the invisibility/cold was a devil fruit thing, that said, he has one himself and grew up with a boy made of rubber, so he takes it par for course that a bunch of people can do "impossible" things.

Anything else? Ace is made of fire. He'll feel really warm if Jack gets close, but Idk if that would hurt either of them. My best guess, if Jack ever said "Ow!" Ace would instantly bow and apologize and since you can't apologize to someone who's not there, that might count as believing and make Jack appear.

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[personal profile] flunkee 2013-02-25 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: enma kozato
Character Series: katekyo hitman REBORN
Level of Belief: half-believer

Why this level? this is probably going to be a stab at headcanon, but japan, among other religions, has shinto religion and beliefs / spirituality, and it revolves around a number of gods, goddesses, and deities. specifically, in our case, kuraokami, a dragon deity of rain and snow. for now, i would say jack would be more of a ghost to enma in terms of visuals. he would see brief, dull flickers from time to time, quick images before his eyes actually have time to focus, but jack's voice will be clear as day ( i thought it kind of funny, enma thinking at some point he's talking to a dragon haha ). this, of course could, and will, change steadily over time until he could one day see jack as jack! :)

Anything else?





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[personal profile] jackbotsattack 2013-02-25 05:40 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Jack Spicer
Character Series: Xiaolin Showdown
Level of Belief: Non-believer
Why this level? He believes in Santa but who's ever heard of Jack Frost being real?

Character Name: Equius Zahhak ([personal profile] brokenbowfetish)
Character Series: Homestuck
Level of Belief: Non-believer
Why this level? He's not from Earth and has never heard of Jack Frost |'D Probably wouldn't believe it if he did hear about him

Character Name: Minene Uryuu ([personal profile] heartbeatbomb)
Character Series: Mirai Nikki (Future Diary)
Level of Belief: Non-believer
Why this level? Fairytales are for little kids

Character Name: Usopp ([personal profile] longnose)
Character Series: One Piece
Level of Belief: Non-believer
Why this level? He's not from Earth and has never heard of Jack Frost. If someone who can see Jack told him about him, though, he would believe it - he's seen more strange things than a being of winter, after all
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[personal profile] lockpick 2013-02-25 10:29 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Locke Cole
Character Series: Final Fantasy VI
Level of Belief: Half-believer

Why this level? He's from a place with no concept of a guy called Jack Frost at all, but! There's a major plot point in his canon involving beings of magic that control all the forces of the world, (including weather/seasons,) and when they are thrown out of balance everything goes to hell pretty apocalyptically. So he definitely knows/believes that there is something magical behind winter working the way it does, (among many other things,) just not Jack specifically. He'd probably be pretty easy to convince anyway, tbh.

Anything else? SUP ROOMIE. o/ Does all this make any sense at all, I don't even know.
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[personal profile] nolonger 2013-02-26 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Daniel Cross
Character Series: Assassin's Creed
Level of Belief: Non-believer
Why this level? Simply unaware that Jack Frost is a real concept/entity in Exit Void.

Anything else? His level of belief can change-- and wobble due to his own instabilities.
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[personal profile] consultantsson 2013-02-26 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Conan Edogawa | Shinichi Kudo
Character Series: Detective Conan
Level of Belief: Non-believer ):

Why this level? Because he believes in science and that magic and fairytales are dumb.

Anything else? He's a seventeen year old trapped in the body of a seven year old. His life is hard.

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[personal profile] darkchilde 2013-02-27 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Illyana Rasputina | Magik
Character Series: Marvel Comics
Level of Belief: Believer

Why this level? Mutant/Demon. She's met the devil, killed gods, etc. She'll really believe anything at this point.

Character Name: Allison Argent
Character Series: Teen Wolf
Level of Belief: Half-Believer

Why this level? She's got a werewolf boyfriend and kanima friend but like. This is a little much for her. She'd want to believe it but still be pretty skeptical all at once.
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[personal profile] hart_or_hand 2013-02-27 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Lindsey McDonald
Character Series: Angel
Level of Belief: half-believer

Why this level? Lindsey's used to dealing with the supernatural. While he's not familiar with Jack Frost outside the poem, it wouldn't surprise him at all to learn that he's real in some dimension. Not that he expects to, mind. Most supernatural beings are far from the fairytales he grew up with.

Anything else? nope
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[personal profile] ethereal_earth 2013-02-27 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Terra Branford
Character Series: Final Fantasy VI
Level of Belief: Believer

Why this level? Espers are magical beings in Terra's world. Terra is half-Esper, the only one of her kind. If she didn't believe wholeheartedly in magic, something would be very wrong. XD
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[personal profile] stomped 2013-02-27 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Isaac Clarke
Character Series: Dead Space
Level of Belief: Non-believer
Why this level? Because there is no snow in space >:(!!!!!!!!!! That and Isaac is definitely a science kind of guy.

♥ can't wait to see your jack around!
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[personal profile] shipwrecking 2013-03-01 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Character Name: Minamitsu Murasa
Character Series: Touhou Project
Level of Belief: Believer
Why this level? She's a ghost! A funayuurei (spirit of a drowning victim) to be specific.

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